you can't change the tax cold, free trailed, the deregulation issues, you can't change the whole issue of debt financing and all that until we figure out a way to get beyond the influence of the money in politics. >> guest: and this is not easy. and it may not even be possible now that the supreme court has deemed money an exercise of free speech. and that really raises the bar on this. and it just means anything goes from here on out. >> host: v betweens in to you, ge are the people to event and understand the true amount of what the government spends? where is their accessible, understandable data? >> guest: there's really a lot of data out there. i don't think it's a shortage of data. the problem, as always, is a matter of analyzing it, seeing what's there. i mean, one of the stories out there now that we both found disturbing, there's one whole story out there that social security is in some sort of immediate trouble and that somehow the bookkeeping is not proper. this is totally bogus in our mind. will social security at some point perhaps have to be changed and the retirement age